Question: "What do you want to see happen?"

"As far as this rally is concerned?  I want more people to join us.  Because actually I used to be just anti-Iraq war.  Now I'm thinking this is just a dumb idea all the way around.  So I think the first thing we need to do is actually get the contractors out and let the Iraqis rebuild their own country.  There's over 50-percent unemployment in Iraq and if we pull the contractors out that would be a major show of good faith.  We can pull our boys and girls back to the bases for the time being instead of running through the streets screaming through megaphones and making people nuts.  I mean I have a radio show and I interviewed Aaron Glantz, who wrote How America Lost Iraq, and he was there for six months.  And they come through with the Humvees and everything.  People are drinking their tea and it rattles their teacups...  I mean those people, they don't need noise."

Question: It sounds like you're not advocating a radical "we've got to get out tomorrow" solution?

"Oh no, I'm not an idiot.  You have to have some kind of plan, strategy.  But don't buy the Kool-Aid about oh we can't have a timetable.  We have to have, we have an exit strategy--that's called strategy, not an exit timetable, no--an exit strategy."